Hello, first time here.
We have a very extensive study in a WW2 group forum elsewhere about a certain event in Czechoslovakia, filmed by American victors exactly on May 8th, 1945.
The attached pictures are from one particular victim of an apparent group beating of German surrenderers in or around Rokycany, Cz. At that time.
We always assumed the victim was part of a recent mob action, and that like other survivors was beaten recently, but now I don't think so.
What started me was the right leg up (rigor mortis it seems), lividity, those things. But I ain't no doc, hence my need for assistance herein.
The time of death, and any observation, would help us a lot in finding out about the events of the day. Specifically, but not restricted to the following :
By the way, I'd be happy to provide a URL to that extremely lengthy discussion, but warning that it is long and exhausting topic... I can also provide URL to the actual 1945 films the pictures were extracted from, though you won't see more about this unfortunate individual than appears in the attached already.
Thanking you in advance for assistance,
Pierre C.
We have a very extensive study in a WW2 group forum elsewhere about a certain event in Czechoslovakia, filmed by American victors exactly on May 8th, 1945.
The attached pictures are from one particular victim of an apparent group beating of German surrenderers in or around Rokycany, Cz. At that time.
We always assumed the victim was part of a recent mob action, and that like other survivors was beaten recently, but now I don't think so.
What started me was the right leg up (rigor mortis it seems), lividity, those things. But I ain't no doc, hence my need for assistance herein.
The time of death, and any observation, would help us a lot in finding out about the events of the day. Specifically, but not restricted to the following :
- I am crazy or the right leg up indicates RM ? Hence death at least 4 hours? Ditto left wrist-arm: it's above the ground, so confirmation of RM and he was turned over after 4 hours at least?
- right leg up = died face down in nearby ditch or others (impossible to die leg naturally up with the leg bent up when on back, right?)
- pool of blood nearby: 99% sure from same individual, I reckon he was dumped on the road after a number of hours, dropped face down (damage to face?), then turned over to his left x minutes or hours later, possibly (we think) to be photographed for the occasion
- blood spilled evenly from mouth-nose area, dripped downward = result of turned over even if dead for 4+ hours?
- the pics included come from 2 different clips from different US filming crews - blood in face is equal for both, and we know the filming was around 15-20-30 minutes apart - tells me bloody face (from turning the corpse?) had been dry for a while, so if blood in face was from turning, then turning was what, 1 hour ago to have dried??
- blood pool in road appears unevenly dried = not all dried, implies comes from being dropped (the shock of drop), then turned over?
- livor mortis: not sure what to make of face... is he pale (died on his back, but right leg??) or blue-reddish (confirms RM and rested face down first x hours)
- close ups of left hand: what sort of treatment would cause the blood to be so evenly distributed on hand??
- white areas on top of knuckles, left hand: confirmation he died/was deposed face down, with hand touching ground?
- any other clues as to TOD or treatment?
By the way, I'd be happy to provide a URL to that extremely lengthy discussion, but warning that it is long and exhausting topic... I can also provide URL to the actual 1945 films the pictures were extracted from, though you won't see more about this unfortunate individual than appears in the attached already.
Thanking you in advance for assistance,
Pierre C.
Time of death, others from a famous World War II clip
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